BOEING777
Dec 24 2008, 11:02 AM
Please use this thread for the 2009 weekly updates.
Jet Blast
Jan 16 2009, 03:59 AM
Here is the first weekly order update from Boeing for 2009.
Through January 13, 2009:
13 x 737 UFO
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
Jet Blast
Jan 22 2009, 04:07 PM
Jet Blast
Jan 29 2009, 06:21 PM
For the week 1/21 -1/27:
5 x 737 for Southwest Airlines
Cancelled 15 x 787. Customer not named.
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm Edit: Russia's S7 is the airline that cancelled the 15 787s.
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews...20090129?rpc=44
TheMightyM
Jan 29 2009, 07:18 PM
Note that the Southwest purchase is less impressive than it seems. The planes they just signed for aren't due until 2016 and the deal also involved deferring 2010 and 2011 delieveries to 2014 through 2016. Instead of taking 16 737-700 in 2010 and 13 in 2011, Southwest will now be getting only 10 per year. A number of options were deferred as well.
Expect to see more of these sorts of purchase/deferral deals by established airlines looking to avoid short term capital outlays. FedEx's pending 777F deal is another example.
Stitch
Jan 29 2009, 08:16 PM
S7 is keeping their 737-800s, however. And they evidently are going to lease 787-8s from, I believe, ILFC.
Jet Blast
Feb 5 2009, 04:13 PM
For the week 1/28 - 2/3:
Identified Ryanair as the UFO for 13 737s.
Cancelled 16 x 787 (No customer named but already reported in other thread as LCAL.)
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
Jet Blast
Feb 12 2009, 06:14 PM
No new orders this week.
Boeing has yet to confirm the Aerolineas order, so that one should pop up once it's finalized.
TheMightyM
Feb 19 2009, 04:11 PM
We have an order this week -- Alaska Airlines for one 737 -- and the cancellation of another 787 (one frame).
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
Jet Blast
Feb 20 2009, 01:42 AM
QUOTE
and the cancellation of another 787
It's been reported that Hong Kong real estate developer, Joseph Lau cancelled his VIP 787 order.
TheMightyM
Mar 5 2009, 06:23 PM
We have orders this week!
Air New Zealand: One 777-300ER
UFO: Two 777-300ER
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfmAlso, with the monthly database update for February, Air Niugini is listed as having placed an order for one 787-8 on December 4, 2007. This order had previusly been listed as an UFO.
Stitch
Mar 5 2009, 06:38 PM
I am sure AZ's is a 77W, but do we know for sure the UFOs are also 77Ws?
TheMightyM
Mar 5 2009, 06:41 PM
^ Yes, we do know for certain that they are -300ERs as the 777 UFO order was placed on February 27 and is reflected in February's database update.
Stitch
Mar 5 2009, 10:03 PM
Got it. Thanks.
Jet Blast
Mar 26 2009, 07:51 PM
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Apr 2 2009, 06:29 PM
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Apr 9 2009, 03:04 PM
DAL767-400ER
Apr 16 2009, 05:00 PM
Gulf Air placed an order for 8 787s, meaning we finally have a positive net total of 4.
Stitch
Apr 16 2009, 05:38 PM
QUOTE (DAL767-400ER @ Apr 16 2009, 10:00 AM)

Gulf Air placed an order for 8 787s, meaning we finally have a positive net total of 4.
This would be a conversion of the 8 options they took along with the 16 firm orders placed in March of last year, so nice to see GF feels conditions (and/or price) is right to add to their order.
Aurora
Apr 16 2009, 10:10 PM
Perhaps GF picked up some of the canceled slots?
Stitch
Apr 16 2009, 11:06 PM
QUOTE (Aurora @ Apr 16 2009, 03:10 PM)

Perhaps GF picked up some of the canceled slots?
Could be.
They have three A330-200s due and they are scheduled to take the first of ten A330-300s in 2010, but perhaps they either see a window of opportunity to get eight "fat" 787-8s by 2011 or either to allow for even more expansion or perhaps to replace the A330-300s if they now feel it's too large for them for medium-range missions.
Converting the eight options would then allow them to take a second tranche of 16 "lean" planes either starting in 2016 (as originally planned) or earlier (if the slots can be found).
DAL767-400ER
Apr 24 2009, 07:28 PM
Alaska ordered 4 more 737s this week, and another big wig from the Middle East realised that a 747BBJ might be too expensive after all.
DAL767-400ER
Apr 30 2009, 03:02 PM
Meh...
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Changes since last update: Identified Virgin Blue order for five 737s previously listed as unidentified.
robertkc
May 1 2009, 12:05 AM
I guess Boeing (and Airbus) are doing their usual pre-Air Show trick of holding orders back, when we'll see the floodgates open?
mbflyer
May 1 2009, 12:15 AM
QUOTE (DAL767-400ER @ Apr 30 2009, 04:02 PM)

Meh...
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Changes since last update: Identified Virgin Blue order for five 737s previously listed as unidentified.
One is unlikely to see floodgates this year. There are some mega-order campaigns pending, but airlines are exercising caution.
robertkc
May 1 2009, 12:52 AM
QUOTE (mbflyer @ May 1 2009, 01:15 AM)

One is unlikely to see floodgates this year. There are some mega-order campaigns pending, but airlines are exercising caution.
Indeed - I was being tongue in cheek.
I think I'll camp out in the Sukhoi chalet this year - where we can all enjoy the view of their new SSJ gracing the skies above Le Bourget!!
DAL767-400ER
May 7 2009, 03:01 PM
Bad, just bad:
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18 new orders: Turkish Airlines (five 777s) and Unidentified Customer(s) (13 737s). In the changes category, reduced 777 net orders by one and reduced 787 net orders by 25.
Total net orders are at -1 now.
Any bets on who cancelled 787s? Air Berlin had 25 787s on order, and it certainly wouldn't surprise me to see them cancel them. Or could it be ILFC/QANTAS reducing their orders?
Stitch
May 7 2009, 03:45 PM
QUOTE (DAL767-400ER @ May 7 2009, 08:01 AM)

Any bets on who cancelled 787s? Air Berlin had 25 787s on order, and it certainly wouldn't surprise me to see them cancel them. Or could it be ILFC/QANTAS reducing their orders?
I think it might be the 23 UFOs placed in January 2008. The company that supposedly bought them is not an airline and their financial position has imploded in the past six months, which makes me believe they have decided being an airplane lessor is not a smart idea at the moment.
Someone on a.net claims AF has canceled their order for the first 777F, so that might explain the 777 cancellation.
Stitch
May 7 2009, 07:09 PM
Some think the 787s might belong to AB (Air Berlin), though evidently they just announced their order remains intact.
Also, QR evidently accounts for the 777 cancellation (they used to show 6 on order and now show 5).
TheMightyM
May 7 2009, 07:29 PM
The 787 cancellations were from the UFO orders, specifically:
2 787-8s on July 28, 2006
23 787-8s on January 14, 2008
These two orders were undoubtedly by the same customer. There are no other significant changes elsewhere in this month's database -- ILFC, Air Berlin, and Qantas' orders are as before.
As for the 777 cancellation, it looks as if that happened in May, not in April (the weekly update was for transactions from April 29 through May 5). As for Qatar Airways, what happened is they converted a 777-300ER into a 777F -- that's not the cancellation.
Stitch
May 7 2009, 10:40 PM
Thanks for the updates, TheMightyM.
Stitch
May 8 2009, 06:12 PM
Now that is has been broken in the press and my NDA is no longer in force, I can confirm that Royal Bank of Scotland was the customer for the 25 787-8s canceled. They also hold 737 and A320 family orders. RBS recently announced a loss in excess of $1 billion USD so I expect they have decided being an aircraft lessor is not prudent at this time and the 737 and A320 orders might also be at risk.
TheMightyM
May 8 2009, 06:35 PM
^The thing though is that RBS does not seem to have many outstanding 737/A320 orders. They ordered 20 737-800 and all 20 have already been delivered. On the Airbus side, RBS ordered a A319 and 38 A320 with (through March 31) 34 A320 delivered. So unless there are additional UFO orders -- which certainly is possible -- the potential for additional cancellations seems very limited.
DAL767-400ER
May 28 2009, 03:40 PM
Interesting update this week:
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Five new Unidentified 787 orders booked. In the changes category, reduced 767 net orders by five.
Quick guess, either JAL or ANA have cancelled 5 763s on order and will instead take 5 of the early overweight 787s for the price they would have paid for the 763s.
TheMightyM
May 28 2009, 03:45 PM
The other possibility would be LAN, as they also have five or more 767-300ERs still on order.
Aurora
May 28 2009, 03:49 PM
Maybe its two different customers?
Stitch
May 28 2009, 10:13 PM
I still am inclined to believe the test frames will become 787 VIPs. Those aircraft will never approach MZFW (even with the Bimmer in the hold) so they should have no problems filling the tanks to the brim and getting 8000+nm distance.
I am more inclined to believe that with DL and the Chinese deferring their earliest deliveries, NH is able to acquire more Tranche One (ZA100-ZA019) aircraft sooner and have decided to take them instead of the 767-300ER. It will give them more experience with the type (important during their one year probation period before the Japanese aviation authority grants them their ETOPs operator certification for the type) and it would give them more seating capacity then the 767-300ERs.
TheMightyM
Jun 4 2009, 07:13 PM
OK, Boeing has update its database through May:
The 767 cancellation was by ANA. Also, the 787-8 order are for RR-powered planes -- and ANA's 787 are to have RR power.
Other highlights:
The 777 cancellation back in early May was by Continental. That leaves they with 7 777-200ERs on order.
The 737 cancellation was by AirTran -- I suspect that the frame was effectively transferred to Aerolineas Argentinas.
The UFOs:
May 18: one 777-200LR.
May 1: 3 737-700s
May 4: 10 737-800s.
DAL767-400ER
Jun 4 2009, 07:28 PM
QUOTE (TheMightyM @ Jun 4 2009, 09:13 PM)

OK, Boeing has update its database through May:
The 767 cancellation was by ANA. Also, the 787-8 order are for RR-powered planes -- and ANA's 787 are to have RR power.
So, on the 50-50 chance between JAL and ANA, it turns out to be ANA. So, I take it might indeed be early 788s at a rock-bottom price? Seems like these early 788s might actually become ANA's "787-3s" of choice.
QUOTE (TheMightyM @ Jun 4 2009, 09:13 PM)

The 777 cancellation back in early May was by Continental. That leaves they with 7 777-200ERs on order.
That's surprising, as I thought CO was desperate for additional widebodies, especially with the 787 delays worsening their shortage.
Stitch
Jun 4 2009, 07:59 PM
Considering how early NH ordered, their 787's are already at "rock-bottom" prices. Average list when they ordered was $120 million versus the $167 million list it is today. The average list at the time they ordered their 767-300ERs was likely around $150 million, so I would not be surprised if taking a 787-8 "now" is cheaper then taking a 767-300ER "later", especially when you factor in things like the price revision formulas that could lower the acquisition costs if they take earlier delivery of the 787-8.
alnis
Jul 2 2009, 06:13 PM
Don't know where weekly orders are posted...perhaps administrator can transfer.
Changes for week of June 30.
Changes since last update: Nine new orders booked: Aerolineas Argentinas (one 737) and Unidentified Customer(s) (six 737s and two 767s). Identified All Nippon Airways order for five 787s previously listed as unidentified. In the changes category, reduced 737 orders by one, 777 orders by one and 787 orders by fifteen.
Totals look like this at the moment.
2009 Gross Orders 60 2 10 13 85
Changes -3 - -5 -2 -73 -84
2009 Net Orders 57 -1 -3 8 60 1
737 747 767 777 787 Total
DAL767-400ER
Jul 2 2009, 07:37 PM
QUOTE (alnis @ Jul 2 2009, 08:13 PM)

Don't know where weekly orders are posted...perhaps administrator can transfer.
Consider it done

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And good to see that there has actually been some activity on the order front for once. Yeah, the QF 787s took everything down, but at least it's something.
And who in their right mind is actually ordering 767s anymore?
TheMightyM
Jul 2 2009, 07:49 PM
The 777 cancellation was LAN for a 777F (they still have one on order).
The 737 cancellation was AirTran -- actually this looks like another case of a plane being not taken up and (re)sold immediately to Aerolineas Argentinas.
There also was a 737BBJ and 787BBJ cancellation earlier in the month.
The 767 order is for -300ERs, no engine specified. Booked June 30. The 737 UFO order for six -800s was also booked on the 30th, but it's not certain that the transactions are linked.
TheMightyM
Jul 7 2009, 02:10 PM
The June 30, 2009 order for 6 UFO 737-800 was from SunExpress. They are Turkish:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Boeing-Annou...ml?x=0&.v=1
DAL767-400ER
Jul 16 2009, 05:38 PM
And the slowness continues...
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Eight new Unidentified 737s orders booked. In the changes category, reduced 737 net orders by three and 777s by two.
DAL767-400ER
Jul 23 2009, 02:59 PM
Just the COPA order added this week, net total now up to 17 for the year.
DAL767-400ER
Jul 30 2009, 04:13 PM
Finally a good week again, 12 new widebody orders, not bad:
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23 new orders booked: Ethiopian Airlines (five 777s), Turkish Airlines (seven 777s), and Unidentified Customer(s) (11 737s).
alnis
Aug 6 2009, 08:26 PM
Identified Egyptair for eight 737s previously listed as unidentified. No neworders listed.
TheMightyM
Aug 6 2009, 10:23 PM
July database update: The Egyptair 737-800 order and the July two-frame 777 cancellation are linked. Yes, Egyptair essentially swapped more 737s for the two 777-300ERs they had on order. Note though that Egyptair is still going to lease 6 77Ws via GECAS.
The 737 UFOs could all be one order: all 11 737-800s were booked on July 28.
The three frame 737-700 cancellation in July is SkyEurope.
DAL767-400ER
Oct 8 2009, 02:56 PM
For once some actual noteworthy movement again:
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Eleven new unidentified 737 orders. In the changes category, reduced 737 and 787 net orders by ten each.
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