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kimshep
Article : Courtesy 'The Australian' under Fair Use policy
Link : http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/busin...8-23349,00.html

QUOTE ('The Australian')
Court Allows Boeing To Use 'Racist' US Law

Michael McKenna | January 07, 2009

INTERNATIONAL defence contractor Boeing will be allowed to discriminate against employees whose nationalities do not meet US security laws.

In a landmark decision, Boeing has won support to ban existing and prospective employees, born in US terrorist-proscribed countries, from working on locally based projects involving the US military, despite opposition from Australia's Anti-Discrimination Commissions, unions and human rights groups.

The US law, introduced after the September 2001 terrorist strikes in New York and Washington, has been under mounting attack around the world.

The Canadian military last year backed down in its compliance to vet certain foreign-born nationals from joint projects with the US Government.

The Rudd Government is in negotiations with the US to exempt some of the security requirements on Australian-based workers.

In November, Boeing sought an extension of a 2003 exemption it was given under Queensland's Anti-Discrimination Act to exclude some nationalities on certain projects to comply with the US security regulations.

The countries banned by the US Government are Belarus, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, Burma, China, Liberia, Sudan, Ivory Coast, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Lebanon, Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Somalia.

Similar exemptions have been granted to Boeing across the rest of Australia and are also enjoyed by the multinational's competitors in the aerospace industry.

Boeing has 4000 employees in Australia and told the Anti-Discrimination Tribunal in Queensland it would lose contracts if the exemption were not given.

In the first legal challenge in Australia to the exemptions, the Anti-Discrimination Commission in Queensland opposed Boeing's application for a renewed application, saying it was racist.

In his decision, tribunal president Doug Savage SC was critical of the US law, questioning the validity of determining the security risk of a person based on their place of birth.

"The fact upon which the discrimination proposed rests is really a fact irrelevant to the real concern - a concern about the true intentions of people hostile to the United States - a concern which might equally apply to US or Australian citizens," he said.

Mr Savage said Boeing failed to justify its claims that "the sky would fall in and that the businesses could not operate without the exemption".

But, while he rejected the application for a renewed exemption, Mr Savage said Boeing was allowed under another part of the act - covering "genuine occupational qualifications" - to ban certain nationalities from projects because of the very real threat of criminal prosecution in the US if their laws were breached.

"The fact is that an employee from a country proscribed by the Government of the United States cannot work in various areas for the applicant whether or not the exemption is granted," Mr Savage said.

A spokesman for Boeing yesterday welcomed the decision. "We are pleased to have confirmation as a result of this decision from the Queensland tribunal that we are entitled to take necessary steps to comply with the US export requirements," the spokesman said.

Acting Queensland Anti-Discrimination Commissioner Neroli Holmes said she believed the decision still "left the door open" to a lawsuit if Boeing overstepped the requirements of the US laws.

Ms Holmes said all Australia's Anti-Discrimination Commissions opposed the exemptions, but she could not comment on a legal challenge to the decision.

"Given the findings, we will still reflect on where we stand on this particular application," Ms Holmes said.


Frankly, in my opinion, this is an absolute disgrace on a number of levels.

- that the Australian Government should not uphold it's own anti-discrimination laws
- that a convenient and expedient solution was agreed upon
- that a US company chooses to operate in Australia outside our laws
- that a US company seeks to cite the 'pre-eminence' of US law over sovereign Australian law
- that a process of what amounts to 'racial' profiling is allowed.

I'm sorry but this is not only disappointing ~ it's clearly legally and morally wrong.
bobbelieu
Ditto that, K. Beyond that it's simply creepy as well.

Yuk.

B~
rhapsody
So you believe folks from: Belarus, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, Burma, China, Liberia, Sudan, Ivory Coast, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Lebanon, Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Somalia should to be working on your government's military programs?
ConcordeBoy
QUOTE (rhapsody @ Jan 6 2009, 09:24 PM) *
So you believe folks from: Belarus, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, Burma, China, Liberia, Sudan, Ivory Coast, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Lebanon, Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Somalia should to be working on your government's military programs?

Scarily enough, I'd have to agree with the above and Boeing.
chaser
QUOTE (ConcordeBoy @ Jan 7 2009, 02:46 PM) *
QUOTE (rhapsody @ Jan 6 2009, 09:24 PM) *
So you believe folks from: Belarus, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, Burma, China, Liberia, Sudan, Ivory Coast, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Lebanon, Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Somalia should to be working on your government's military programs?

Scarily enough, I'd have to agree with the above and Boeing.



As an OZ, I agree with Kimchep.
It is verrrry difficult to qualify for citizenship, and no matter where they come from, if they have met the residency criteria they are entitled to be employed.
The law is for the people not a pack of bigots or corporate entities.
If Boeing do not like it, let em leave. Airbus would probably pick up the slack as they are looking for good sources to meet the XWB needs.
rhapsody
QUOTE (chaser @ Jan 7 2009, 01:12 AM) *
QUOTE (ConcordeBoy @ Jan 7 2009, 02:46 PM) *
QUOTE (rhapsody @ Jan 6 2009, 09:24 PM) *
So you believe folks from: Belarus, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, Burma, China, Liberia, Sudan, Ivory Coast, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Lebanon, Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Somalia should to be working on your government's military programs?

Scarily enough, I'd have to agree with the above and Boeing.



As an OZ, I agree with Kimchep.
It is verrrry difficult to qualify for citizenship, and no matter where they come from, if they have met the residency criteria they are entitled to be employed.
The law is for the people not a pack of bigots or corporate entities.
If Boeing do not like it, let em leave. Airbus would probably pick up the slack as they are looking for good sources to meet the XWB needs.


The programs we are talking about are military programs requiring security clearances, not commercial airplane programs.
Stitch
I suppose I should first off note that I am not exactly enamored of the requirement, lest I be labeled a racist, jingoistic, bigoted American. rolleyes.gif

I would like to know why the Australian press keeps calling this "racist". They're not denying people of a particular skin color, ethnicity, religious creed, or sexual orientation from being employed.

Also, since it was the Australian judicial system that issued the ruling, I don't understand how it can be labeled "illegal" since isn't that one of the functions of your justice system - to interpret the laws passed by your Parliament?

And Boeing is not operating in Australia out of spite. They are not squatters. They were invited by the Australian government to conduct operations there.

I also notice the righteous indignation is being reserved solely for Boeing, when the article notes "similar exemptions...are also enjoyed by the multinational's competitors in the aerospace industry."

And considering how close the Bush and Howard Administrations were, if the Howard Administration really wanted such restrictions nullified, I'm confident they would have found at least a polite reception at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue to discuss it.
kimshep
QUOTE (rhapsody @ Jan 8 2009, 12:07 AM) *
The programs we are talking about are military programs requiring security clearances, not commercial airplane programs.

Given that security clearances are required, I would have no problem with this at all.
Secondly and more importantly, if a security clearance is required, then please explain why such a need for an exemption is required in the first place ?
Fly787
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The problem about security clearances is it almost becomes irrelevant when you deal with people that came from other countries. Really, what kind of meaningful background check could you really do on someone that came from Main Land China or Iran for example.
DfwRevolution
QUOTE (kimshep @ Jan 6 2009, 05:29 PM) *
Article : Courtesy 'The Australian' under Fair Use policy
Link : http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/busin...8-23349,00.html

QUOTE ('The Australian')
Court Allows Boeing To Use 'Racist' US Law

Michael McKenna | January 07, 2009

INTERNATIONAL defence contractor Boeing will be allowed to discriminate against employees whose nationalities do not meet US security laws.


I'm sorry but this is not only disappointing ~ it's clearly legally and morally wrong.


Prudent national security laws are not morally wrong. These laws should be tougher if anything. The amount of classified information that has been stolen by foreign nationals working at American defense contractors makes an absolute mockery of the U.S.
Aurora
QUOTE (rhapsody @ Jan 7 2009, 03:24 AM) *
So you believe folks from: Belarus, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, Burma, China, Liberia, Sudan, Ivory Coast, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Lebanon, Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Somalia should to be working on your government's military programs?

Let's tackle another problem while we're at it. IIRC, most of the industrial espionage in the U.S. comes from 5 countries: Russia, China, Taiwan, Israel, and France. Let's ban their nationals as well.
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