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QUOTE ('The Sydney Morning Herald')
Forty Years On, It's All Downhill For The Jumbo


Boeing 747

February 9, 2009

There is no birthday cake for Boeing's 747, just a question mark over its future, writes Scott Rochfort.

Turning 40 is not expected to be a pleasant experience for the Boeing 747 jumbo, which will mark the anniversary of its maiden test flight today with none of the fanfare its arrival stirred in the same year man first landed on the moon.

There will be no public festivities to mark the snowy morning on February 9, 1969 when the jet first took off from Paine Field near Boeing's Everett plant north of Seattle.

"We will be marking it internally," a Boeing spokesman, Tim Bader, told the Herald. Some in the airline industry are now wondering whether these commemorations for the jet that revolutionised long-haul travel in the 1970s - particularly for Australians - may resemble a wake.

First sections of the fuselage and wings of the 747's newer and bigger freighter version sit in the Boeing plant, but the jet's last passenger version may well have rolled off the production line. The last passenger 747 was delivered in 2005, and only six freighter versions of the jet will be rolled out this year.

When Boeing revealed a fortnight ago that it had incurred a $US685 million ($1 billion) one-off loss on the development of the more fuel efficient 747-8, due for delivery from next year, the chief executive, Jim McNerney, provided his strongest hint yet the future of the jet may be under threat if there were any further setbacks.

"When you add it all up we still see a viable business proposition here," Mr McNerney told an analyst briefing.

"Now, obviously, if we ever got to the point where we didn't, we'd have to work with our customers to come up with a different answer."

Faced with a new rival in the large jet market, Airbus's A380, and a stalling order book, some believe the passenger version of the 747 is already a relic. The bulk of Boeing's 747-8 order book is for the freighter version of the jet.

Lufthansa, which ordered 20 of the newer jets in late 2006, remains the only airline customer for the passenger Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental. They are due for delivery in 2011. The jet will be 5.6 metres longer and be able to seat 51 passengers more than existing 747s.

Apart from eight orders from VIP clients, the only other clear buyer may be the US President, Barack Obama, who will soon need to order a replacement for Air Force One.

Already faced with delays to its 787 Dreamliner program and a downturn in the aviation sector, Boeing may soon be faced with some very tough decisions.

CAPA Consulting's Ian Thomas is one who has grave doubts about the 747's future, given the ability of jets such as the Boeing 777 and Airbus A340 to fly longer distances.

"The mid-range aircraft certainly have more range value now," he said. Airlines such as Qantas have gravitated to mid-range jets because of the flexibility they allow in deploying the fleet to match market conditions.

For instance, it is expected Qantas and Jetstar's yet-to-be-delivered 787 Dreamliners will be used on domestic routes, regional flights into Asia and for long-haul services to Europe and the US. Qantas has 65 787s on order.

"Certainly the 747 performed a more than useful function," Mr Thomas said. It was the only jet up to the task of cost-effective long-haul flights when it began flying.

Qantas has taken delivery of 57 jumbos since 1971, making it the sixth biggest buyer of the jet. But it has 20 A380s on order and is looking to use the Boeing 787 as the new backbone of its international fleet, so the future of the 747 in the fleet does not look bright.

Qantas retired the last of its ageing 747-300s last month and is expected to phase its 30 747-400s out of service in the next decade.


Irrespective of the current woes or uncertainties, the B747 has been a revolutionary, industry-changing product in it's distinguished history. There are few here that remember air travel before the "jumbo" arrived on the world's doorstep in late 1969 / early 1970.

The frame was single-handedly responsible for bringing cheap international travel to the masses and advancing the concept of luxury in First Class, on a world-wide basis. It's inherent safety and superlative design has become the stuff of legends .. and it is wonderful to see that such a visionary aircraft has lasted - and performed so magnificantly - for such an uncharacteristically long lifespan.

The B747 has always been one of my very favourite aircraft to travel in. Yes, the Upper Deck Business Class has always been enormously comfortable to inhabit .. and multiple iterations of each model's floorplan have shown how truly versatile an aircraft it can be.

From when I first worked with AA in Sydney, the charm of the Wurlitzer "Piano Bar" in Coach to the luxury of First Class seats that swivelled 360 degrees to enable 4 person dining was evident. Such a pity that AA never flew the B747 on South Pacific routes, but it was always a special pleasure to travel on transontinental AA routes aboard this bird. Airlines such as CO even had a flying disco in Coach at one stage. Many of the early models (in various carrier's liveries) initially used the Upper Deck as a First Class Lounge area .. and with the B747-200, this gave way to the idea of permanent passenger seating in the upper deck.

It is, for me, still "odd" to think of Economy travel on the Upper Deck ~ although South African and JAL still maintained this type of configuration, as did NZ, up until a few years ago.

Of course, the spiral staircase of the B747-100's, -200's and SP's gave way to the straight-up staircase with the advent of the B747-300. And the B747-400 and ER models dispensed with the Flight Engineer position, effectively making this a 2 person-command aircraft.

Who can forget the somewhat bizarre layout of the B747SP with it's forward galley partially stretching down one side of the outer frame, with 'plug' windows to conceal the galley ?

Yes, my old friend - you may be 40 years of age, but you still manage to give me shivers of pleasure every time I see you arrive or depart at an airport anywhere in the world.

We all know that Boeing "bet the company" on the far-sighted decision to build this frame. And how fortunate for all of us, that this decision paid off .. and in spades. There may be other new frames now starting to replace you .. but I'll always have a special feeling in my heart for this wonderful bird. A true "pioneer" aircraft ~ and one that deservedly retains the title of 'Queen Of The Skies'.

Happy Birthday, you beautiful jumbo thing ! bye1.gif
BOEING777
Lets not forget that Feb 9th is also the 20th anniversary of the 747-400's EIS too smile.gif
Stitch
I for one won't miss her when she's gone. Never liked being crammed into the nose (one advantage to LH still using seats and not suites, though the upper deck is always an oven on 744s).

Give me 777s and A380s for my long-haul travel.
DAL767-400ER
I have confidence in the future of the 747, after all a German news source reporting on the 747's birthday made the news public that LH is to get 80 748s rolleyes.gif ...
BOEING777
QUOTE (Stitch @ Feb 9 2009, 02:28 PM) *
I for one won't miss her when she's gone. Never liked being crammed into the nose (one advantage to LH still using seats and not suites, though the upper deck is always an oven on 744s).


I would perhaps disagree on the warmth on the upper deck - at least in BA's case!

On the way to SEA, granted, there were just a handful of folks upstairs, but it was ridiculously cold. Of all the upper decks I have flown on, this one was by far the coldest.
LGB787
Not meaning to sound snooty, but I've travelled many miles in the "nose area" of a 747 (various models) and what I will miss about it is the quiet from the lack of FA's tromping back and forth up and down the aisle. Since the galleys are behind, there is less traffic in the aisle.

That, and it's just a magnificent airplane. It just feels different than anything else in the sky.
BOEING777
QUOTE (LGB787 @ Feb 9 2009, 06:56 PM) *
...what I will miss about it...


ohmy.gif

Ye jest surely?

It hath not gone to the graveyard yet!! happy.gif
rhapsody
Can't wait for the new 747-8i to take to the air.
BOEING777
Well the 8F is first later this year - will still be an awesome sight to see a stretch of this unique airplane...
kimshep
QUOTE (DAL767-400ER @ Feb 10 2009, 01:59 AM) *
I have confidence in the future of the 747, after all a German news source reporting on the 747's birthday made the news public that LH is to get 80 748s rolleyes.gif ...


Do you have a link source for us on this, DAL767-400ER ?? Even if it is in Deutsche ? I'd be more than fascinated to read it !
USAF336TFS
I'm looking forward to seeing the first 747-8i decked out in her LH livery. Will also be interesting which city name will grace the first example.
I share the view of many of my FB colleagues; The 747 is one of my favorite airplanes of all time. She still captures my gaze when they take off from JFK.

Stitch, have you flown the A380 yet?
DAL767-400ER
QUOTE (kimshep @ Feb 9 2009, 10:45 PM) *
QUOTE (DAL767-400ER @ Feb 10 2009, 01:59 AM) *
I have confidence in the future of the 747, after all a German news source reporting on the 747's birthday made the news public that LH is to get 80 748s rolleyes.gif ...


Do you have a link source for us on this, DAL767-400ER ?? Even if it is in Deutsche ? I'd be more than fascinated to read it !

No direct link, as it's a slideshow, but go on n-tv.de , click on any of the pictures on the right side, which will lead to a pop-up window with whatever slideshow, and then in that pop-up, again on the right side, click on the 747. That should be the slide show, and then click the right arrow below the pic till the LH 748 pic. Another example of great, in-depth journalism dry.gif ...
Stitch
QUOTE (USAF336TFS @ Feb 10 2009, 04:32 AM) *
Stitch, have you flown the A380 yet?


Yes, I've been on SQ in R a few times between SIN and SYD. Very nice. I've walked the rest of the plane and it's pretty good, so far.

Since I only fly Star, I need to wait for LH to get her first bird before I try another carrier's A380 product.
robertkc
QUOTE (kimshep @ Feb 9 2009, 05:15 AM) *
Happy Birthday, you beautiful jumbo thing ! bye1.gif

Here here - I still get goose bumps whenever I see a 747, anywhere - and had to stop my car on the Heathrow Perimeter road the other day when a CX 744 was taking off. Superb.

Can't wait for the 747-8i, if for no other reason that to assure that these lovely jumbos will continue to grace the skies for another 30 years flowers.gif
ConcordeBoy
...sooner we can get 'em replaced with twinjets and outta the sky, the better.
kimshep
Booooo ! Hisssss ! zorro.gif

How uncharitable, young Freddie ! If it hadn't been for the B747 revolutionising air travel for the masses, there probably wouldn't have been a family of longrange, intercontinental twinjets .. LOL hug.gif

You have to admit, the B747's contribution to aviation knowledge and technology development has always been valuable .. just as the B777 family has contributed to the development of Boeing's 'plastic fantastic' - the B787.
rhapsody
QUOTE (ConcordeBoy @ Feb 12 2009, 02:30 PM) *
...sooner we can get 'em replaced with twinjets and outta the sky, the better.


Same thing can be said for Miss Piggy A380.
BOEING777
QUOTE (ConcordeBoy @ Feb 12 2009, 09:30 PM) *
...sooner we can get 'em replaced with twinjets and outta the sky, the better.


As big as a proponent I am of twins, the 747 will always remain an icon, long after it goes.

I'm with RobKC on this, seeing the 747 reach the one century landmark would be just....wow!

It always has and always will be a legendary airplane unlike any other smile.gif
ConcordeBoy
Bah!

...the 747 should join Concorde and all the other accomplished-but-obsolete relics of bygone eras. The sooner it does, the better.
Kevin_M
QUOTE (BOEING777 @ Feb 12 2009, 01:18 PM) *
I'm with RobKC on this, seeing the 747 reach the one century landmark would be just....wow!

The Clipper ships lasted less than the 747's 40 current years. Side wheel steamers gave way to screws, by the 1880's. coal gave way to bunker fuel, steam pistons to steam turbines to diesel, and now the traditional screws are giving way to pod mounted forward facing fixtures.

Rail locomotion has seen fewer radical changes, but not by much. Steam to compound steam to electric to diesial electric, to different methods of conducting electric. I don't think any mode of public transportation in the last 200 years has made 100 years of production without significant change since then, let alone a model family within that mode, unless you want to argue that the modern Peugeot bears any resemblance to it's original.

40 years as a generally recognizable family is a hell of a run.
kimshep
QUOTE (rhapsody @ Feb 13 2009, 09:12 AM) *
Same thing can be said for Miss Piggy A380.

No, no, no, no ! Ya don't get a 'free pass' on that remark, rhapsody ..

From this side of the earth ~ and speaking from one of the 'apocalyptic' horsemen .. er, destinations, it is conclusively evident that just the opposite is happening here.

Think about SQ and EK replacing their B777's on the Australian run and add in EY with their twins, as well. You can probably add in BA to this group in coming years, also.

"Oh no ! A380-800's replacing twins in this market .. quick, the sky is falling".

Eventually you'll see it happening at JFK, if not elsewhere in the USA.
DAL767-400ER
QUOTE (kimshep @ Feb 13 2009, 07:42 AM) *
Eventually you'll see it happening at JFK, if not elsewhere in the USA.

Won't be very noticeable though. Most routes to the US see 4-holers anyway, see most of LH's flights, half of AF's flights, half of KE's flights, etc. No doubt there will be some switches from twins to 4-holers, but at the same time other 4-holer routes, say AF's 744 CDG-ATL service, are likely to see those freed-up twins instead of their 4-holers. In the end, the addition of 4-holers even with the A380 will be +/- 0.
FleetBusinesser
QUOTE (rhapsody @ Feb 12 2009, 11:12 PM) *
Same thing can be said for Miss Piggy A380.


It's just so happen that I read a joke about the A380 vs the beauty of B747...

A380 vs B747
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